Posts by King Solomon

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Disfellowshipped for Being Raped!

by UnDisfellowshipped in

march 8th 1974 issue, pages 13-16:.

"scream!

scream!

King Solomon

One elder made a remark about judicial action as "judicially processing." You and me are like products that's being processed.

A judicial committee is both the judge and jury, as well as the prosecutors.

Further proof that most JWs don't understand much about principles of law: if they DID, they wouldn't be members of a convoluted religion which tells them they are "witnesses", when real witnesses don't form clubs.

Denial by women is also a strong factor. The "it can't ever happen to me. I am too virutous" helps a woman cope poorly with the risk of losing control over her body.

Yup, there's a pattern of all others remaining silent to avoid similarly being reprimanded. How many of those JW wives fit the profile of being weak, even victims of abuse themselves? If there were more strong women to stand up for others, this wouldn't be an issue; now we see why they downplay ANY attempts for the individual to stand up for themselves, let alont others, EVEN their own children. The name, 'silent lambs', is not without reason; it's more like herding livestock to the slaughter house.

Sad, it really is.... Evil, it really is..... ;(

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Who is more likely to die at Armageddon?

by Terry in

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King Solomon

BB says:

As for the masses that have not heard the message, I think they now realise that the population is expanding quicker than they are and at the current rate they will never reach everybody. The family say that God can judge a whole nation as wicked if he chooses to.....

Is that just?

No, but that's EXACTLY how justice occurs in the OT, both for Hebrews AND their neighbors. In fact, some sins committed by individuals needed to be dealt with, as they were consider sins against the land; if too many occurred, the people themselves were said to be "vomited from the land". Presumably these types of sin were offered as the post-facto explanation for Hebrews were exiled to Babylon, ie "why has YHWH foresaken us?").

The same thinking applied to their neighbors, who were labelled as "pagans" deserving of invasion, etc.

That idea of one individuals affecting the community is still seen in the need to maintain the purity of the congregation, leading to DF/shunning: it's communal thinking, at it's worst.

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But the idea of needing to contact every individual is funny, as it's really just justification to recruit others to engage in the sales activity, to increase the size of the sales team. The premise is based on the concept of needing to give people fair-warning (as if requesting their informed consent), so they can decide for themselves whether or not to comply with God's death threat.

God apparently didn't need to do that for the Worldlies BEFORE the Flood, as Jesus himself said it caught the World by surprise. And while the NT elsewhere indicates Noah engaged in a preaching work (which the OT does NOT reflect), he clearly didn't preach to anyone but his local neighbors, unless he sent his (3) sons out to engage in missionary work to far-off lands such as New Guinea, Australia, China, N. America, Japan, etc, to contact all the World's inhabitants, PLUS have time to build a 450 ft ark, too! (which was the most massive wooden vessel EVER built!). Maybe that's where they went, and then brought the animals back with them to the ark?

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Candace Conti v. Watchtower Society - Closing Argument by WTBTS Attorney

by jwleaks in

jane doe v. watchtower bible and tract society of new york, inc.. .

jury trial - june 14, 2012 - day 10. .

mr. schnack: ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the judge has instructed you that it is your choice to award or not to award punitive damages.

King Solomon

It's going to take putting a few high-level JWs in prison before we see such similar changes.

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think i'm becoming an atheist

by rather be in hades in

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i was just thinking about how often i prayed when i was going downhill.. now i subscribed wholeheartedly to the 'don't pray for bullshit requests' concept, so at first i rarely prayed.. starting around middle school, 9/10 i prayed for friends.

didn't really pray to stop the teasing, my fists did some of that and besides...racism isn't/wasn't jehovah's fault anyway and i can't pray for that to end when he allowed the witnesses to suffer in ww2.. through high school, same issue and then when i started pioneering and hanging out with some of the other witnesses, those prayers prayers for friends intensified cuz they were asses.. but they were dominated by the prayers to love god starting around 15. i didn't want to read the magazines, despite how much i love reading.

didn't want to stdy the lessons, didn't want to plan my presentations, though i did enjoy giving the talks and crafting them.

King Solomon

Being an antheist is not belief system, it is a conclusion drawn by lack of falsifiable evidence.

See how common-place the God thought is? People don't even it, and assume EVERYONE is exposed to the same silly thinking to which they were exposed.

Fact is, we are ALL born as atheists, with no concept of God. Spiritual tabula rasas, where no one has yet told them (contaminated them) with ancient myths of men.

The idea is you accept beliefs which have a useful function, eg serve a useful predictive value as being models of reality.

As an example, you may not believe in gravity, but it's not necessary for you to believe in it in order to fall. Gravity could care less: it doesn't think.

In contrast, faith in God is alot like Wiley Coyote who suspends in mid-air, only falling once he realizes he is violating the laws of gravity, and is unsupported. An awareness of the law of gravity does not mean you're exempt from it. Faith in God is not a physical force, but an emotion; once aware of it's limits, you DO fall.

That's exactly WHY the OP is here, expressing what he is: he's realized it's an illusion.

But on a more serious note, I understand what you're experiencing....when the truth about the "WTBS" really soaked in, it was like starting all over again to questions we all ask...so I prayed that the real truth about life, God ect be made known to me...but nothing happened...

Sounds alot like you were.... dare I say it, re-born? :)

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think i'm becoming an atheist

by rather be in hades in

jw
friends

i was just thinking about how often i prayed when i was going downhill.. now i subscribed wholeheartedly to the 'don't pray for bullshit requests' concept, so at first i rarely prayed.. starting around middle school, 9/10 i prayed for friends.

didn't really pray to stop the teasing, my fists did some of that and besides...racism isn't/wasn't jehovah's fault anyway and i can't pray for that to end when he allowed the witnesses to suffer in ww2.. through high school, same issue and then when i started pioneering and hanging out with some of the other witnesses, those prayers prayers for friends intensified cuz they were asses.. but they were dominated by the prayers to love god starting around 15. i didn't want to read the magazines, despite how much i love reading.

didn't want to stdy the lessons, didn't want to plan my presentations, though i did enjoy giving the talks and crafting them.

King Solomon

Smiddy said:

2/3rds of the world have never heard of the so called promised land/new world/paradise after Armaggeddon , and this after ALL THIS WITNESSING THAT`S TAKEN PLACE THIS 20th CENTURY ? by a small group of dedicated jehovah`s witnesses who have to continually change /modify/re-interpret/adjust/revise/transpose/substitute/metamorphose/alter/amend/revamp/rewrite,which is all the WTB&TS have done, and much more these past 130 + years

Your entire statement boils down to being reliant to an appeal to popularity, claiming that valid is either proven or disproven based on popular opinion. If popular opinion mattered, then Justin Bieber would not outsell much-more talented musicians....

The fact that Jesus believed in Noahs flood, is telling, but not in the way the WTS spins it, that 'if Jesus believed it you should too'... no, it means the opposite. Jesus was just another deluded man who believed the old myths and legends of man.

Yeah, I'd even question how much of what Jesus said was what he actually said, and not subject to redacting and clean-up by canonizers, tall tales built up around a hero, etc. I suspect he was a victim of mass thinking of his time, someone who really thought he was the Jewish Messiah; if so, he'd probably be horrified to see how he became the centerpiece of the religion of the same State that massacred so many Jews, including him, just so they could absolve their filthy consciences to continue the same dirty tactics. (The old saying is you could be executed for being a Xian, and 100 years later you could be executed for NOT being a Xian.)

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think i'm becoming an atheist

by rather be in hades in

jw
friends

i was just thinking about how often i prayed when i was going downhill.. now i subscribed wholeheartedly to the 'don't pray for bullshit requests' concept, so at first i rarely prayed.. starting around middle school, 9/10 i prayed for friends.

didn't really pray to stop the teasing, my fists did some of that and besides...racism isn't/wasn't jehovah's fault anyway and i can't pray for that to end when he allowed the witnesses to suffer in ww2.. through high school, same issue and then when i started pioneering and hanging out with some of the other witnesses, those prayers prayers for friends intensified cuz they were asses.. but they were dominated by the prayers to love god starting around 15. i didn't want to read the magazines, despite how much i love reading.

didn't want to stdy the lessons, didn't want to plan my presentations, though i did enjoy giving the talks and crafting them.

King Solomon

Phizzy said:

I do not believe there is any money in it. A negative. I smash it open, being unconviced of the negative by merely shaking it, and I find no money, I see no money , cannot feel any money, and above all, cannot spend that money that "evidently" does not exist.

Voila ! I have proved a negative.

Nope, that's because God Himself magically made it invisible so although it was there, you didn't see it. The penny exists: He's got it.

You also cannot prove that Santa or Satan doesn't exist: same deal of encountering excuses for why they aren't perceived, but in people's imaginations.

Flip-side is you cannot prove they DO exist, either. That's why rationalists start with assuming as little as possible; it doesn't burden a mind down with excess baggage.

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How do you work through the Anger

by jworld in

how do you deal with the anger when your parents stop talking to you?

my partner says i should continue to confront them but it builds so much anger in me and i sometimes i think i should just let it go and bring balance back to my own life.

it's sort of sureal to mourn your parents while they are still alive.

King Solomon

"Likewise, the assumption that parents are predisposed to love their children unconditionally and protect them from harm is not universally true."

I have been operating under the assumption that my parents still have some love for me somewhere that if reached would be the solution. Love conquers all type of mentality. That appears to not be the case. That love is so buried at this point its been sufocated. Realizing this is the hard punch in the gut.

Yup, there are so many assumptions still carried by ex-JWs that simply removing themselves from the environment doesn't mean they don't still carry around alot of their mental "baggage". Worse part is, EVERYTHING needs to be questioned, and the most fearful aspect for many is to give up that false sense of security for a realistic sense of vulnerability (which always WAS there, but the realization was simply denied).

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Who is more likely to die at Armageddon?

by Terry in

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King Solomon

MWC said:

So it isn't about the 'heart condition' of the person, but the sales/manipulation ability of the JW.

And that, I suspect is the allure of it: they are 'selling' something, even though no money changes hands. They're using their personal powers of persuasion, charm, charisma, to convince another to do something. I've done sales, so fully understand the dynamic.

Whether they realize it not, their ego is intimately involved in what they do, and they find it challenging, fun, enjoyable, even though they're not paid a dime for it.

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Who is more likely to die at Armageddon?

by Terry in

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friends

King Solomon

I suspect YHWH operates on the idea, "Kill them all, and let Elohim sort them out".

PS I call dibs on having preached to all the "uninhabited Nations". No expressions of thanks needed, by y'all: jus' doin' my part to help. ;)

(And what purpose does the "inhabited" adjective add to that statement? Is it even possible for a Nation to BE uninhabited? Are they all away, invading a neighboring country? Does that count as a "not at home", so you just leave a pamphlet, instead?)

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FACTS can be very pesky things. What side do you come down on?

by Terry in

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King Solomon

Yeah, JWs were once led by someone who now would be considered as a "New World Orderer", the kind of nonsense still shoveled out by the likes of Alex Jones (over at Infowars.com). The conspiracy theory that Jews control everything stems from the Middle Ages, when the Rothschilds were supposedly the ones in control of ALL gov'ts.

Nowadays, such types have been forced to tone down the anti-Semitic rhetoric, but it's the same unstated bigoted message coming thru, loud and clear....